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When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by fitzet » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:29 pm

I am considering setting 8/10 caches over a 2/3 mile walk. The individual locations will be far enough apart to not be too near each other. If I choose to group this set as a power trail, are there other conditions to fulfil, e.g. not enough caches to call it a power trail ?

I found on a thread on GC.com where someone posted that one should try to fit in as many as are possible, i.e. one every 500 feet ? Would the details above meet the criteria for a power trail ?

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by klossner » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:30 pm

Groundspeak removed the prohibition of power trails from the placement guidelines. In my city, at least, it has seriously hurt the game.

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by abbeyackbar » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:57 pm

I reckon the amount you have in mind is plenty to be consdered a power trail. I wouldn't necessarily agree that you should try to fit in as many as possible every 500ft-ish. It depends on the locations you want to place your caches, there may not be a suitable hiding spot every 500ft. I say go ahead and hide them and put them up for review, then the reviewer may let you know in a reviewer note if there's any issues with them. The longer you wait the more chance someone may hide a cache were you had planned to put one, It happens. So I say when you get an idea for a cache hide, go for it.
I'll be keeping my eyes and ears open for new cache notifications soon then eh :wink:
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by Blue Jay » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:12 am

Yep what Abbey said - go for it and I look forward to finding them too. :lol:
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by dino » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:26 pm

I definitely recommend going further apart than the minimum 161m. Just this week I had a CO submit 11 caches in a series and I had to send at least 4 of them back as they were too close to each other. It's not always that easy to ensure distance apart.

Also please bear in mind that this is just an arbitrary distance and the idea is to prevent over satuaration of an area. Before you place the series think to yourself if *every* location is good enough to be a standalone cache.
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by fitzet » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:46 pm

Before you place the series think to yourself if *every* location is good enough to be a standalone cache.
I've walked the route and taken note of approx. 10 locations for caches. Many of these would not, on their own, justify a cache. The rating for each will probably be 1/1.

The context of the powertrail is the prime consideration for the placement. In fact, I would be struggling to include anything noteworthy in the description for some of the caches, other than 'Cache X of Y in ZZZ powertrail' :oops:.

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by THE_Chris » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:40 pm

Look at the Blackrock Power Trail series in Dublin as to how to do a good power trail. Varied selection of boxes, interesting locations, close enough together (2-300m) and most are a nice little spot with a varied challenge.

Dont do what they do in the UK and have a film canister hidden in the briars by every stile or ditch on a looped walk! :)

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by MunsterFan » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:12 pm

Couldn't have put it better Chris, those types of caches are just pointless!
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by fitzet » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:16 am

Dont do what they do in the UK and have a film canister hidden in the briars by every stile or ditch on a looped walk!
Regardless of the container, the locations in mind would be just that. The point of setting these caches would be an incentive for people to walk a route that they might not otherwise do, or be aware of. I could place one at one end of the walk and a second at the other end, but those would then be stand-alone and capable of retrieval by car. The intention of having other caches, between the start and end, is to encourage the route to walked.

If each discrete cache should stand up to scrutiny as a stand-alone, most of what I have in mind will fail that test. But is that a fair test ? As I posted earlier, each is intended to be viewed in the context of the overall end to end walk, not individually.

Blackrock Power Trail is a good standard to aspire to, but if I cannot match that standard, should I just not bother ? That trail has two at Idrone Terrace where one is sufficient. Should the CO not have bothered with one of them ? I have no issue with any of those placements, but one of them, IMHO, doesn't meet the standard being referred to in other posts.
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by MunsterFan » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:59 am

TBH If the only reason for a cache placement is the cache itself then it shouldn't be there, its one of the fundamental guidelines Groundspeak try to instil in caching!
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by SaaX » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:45 pm

I would carry on with your general idea - and I personally really enjoy cache trails that make you walk the whole path. I don't think that each individual cache has to be at a "special" spot - but I do think that the distances shouldn't be any close to the minimum allowed. We own some of these power trails (although I wouldn't call some of them power trails - the ones that only have 5 caches for example). If you like I can send you the links to our trails and you can have a look - just let me know...

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by Blue Jay » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:54 pm

I agree with SaAx - the circluar loop etc is enough and is very enjoyable - great picking up however many caches on the way - I've done loads of those type of walks /power trails - again I say go for it.
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by THE_Chris » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:39 pm

How about place all the containers, but have it as a 5 or 6 stage multi where you get a little bit of a very simple puzzle at each location? Then once you've gotten them all and solved the puzzle, you can go to the final.

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by dino » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:06 pm

I'm with Chris on this one :)
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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by SaaX » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:32 pm

That's very close to our way of placing trails - we have a "bonus" multi as a final. We make people collect information on the trail - but we don't put the required information into the boxes along the trail to avoid that you cannot solve the puzzle if one went missing...

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by Fjon » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:01 pm

THE_Chris wrote:How about place all the containers, but have it as a 5 or 6 stage multi where you get a little bit of a very simple puzzle at each location? Then once you've gotten them all and solved the puzzle, you can go to the final.
You will get <10 visitors a year if you do this, unless it's in the City Centre.
Cachers are lazy and many will be put off by long multis, especially in Ireland. I enjoy this type of cache a lot, but many won't unfortunately.
Most tourists won't bother with it either.

I would go with the SaaX approach - maybe 5 caches on the way to ensure that people walk the entire route. A Bonus cache at the end is a very good idea.

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by fitzet » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:51 pm

Thanks for the feedback.

I am now thinking of 4. One at either end (it's not a loop), and two others. I can write something different about each, and still link them together. I won't call it a powertrail. The hides will be straightforward. If searching for a camoflagued cache in a tree is your thing, head for North County Dublin :P !

Now I have to stop talking about it and get on with it :roll:.

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Re: When is a power trail not a power trail ?

Post by fitzet » Mon May 13, 2013 3:22 pm

fitzet wrote:Now I have to stop talking about it and get on with it :roll:.
6 months later :oops: .. 3 caches sent for review/publication ;)

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