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Geocaching Ireland • Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?
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Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:38 pm
by fitzet
While out kayaking along the coast last weekend, I passed a location that I thought might be good for a cache.

It would only be accessible by kayak. Maybe by RIB, but I would need to look again to see if there are suitable places for a RIB to 'dock'. Any other craft would be at risk of hitting rocks covered by tide.

The location would be a 45 minute paddle from a publicly accessible launch point. The waters are sheltered by cliff, but there is one patch of water that can be unstable with tidal flows.

Assuming it were to be approved and published, what would you think if you saw a new cache that you might not ever be able to get to, restricted by specialised equipment and weather ?

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:45 pm
by Jumpin Jiminie
Personally, I don't think it would be a problem for most people.

I have been looking at caches recently for an upcoming honeymoon in Bali and there are a few caches that are underwater and require scuba diving equipment.

It certainly sounds like it would be one to remember!

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:10 pm
by Spark_ie
There's no problem with a cache like that, as long as it's not seriously dangerous. There are plenty of caches on the tops of mountains which require certain skills - skills which not everyone will have. Just make sure the cache won't get washed away, and put appropriate warnings on the cache page :)

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:32 am
by FatFergie
I wouldn't complain.... I probably wouldn't ever do it but I think there should be caches that are a definite challenge. In Stockholm there is a city centre cache that requires abseiling gear.

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:12 pm
by hairytoeman
We are not all equal.

I know there are some I will never physically get to, and other mental puzzle caches which risk exploding my head when I try to solve them. Good and bad, hard and easy, they all give us something to talk about.

Do you have the code for the Stockholm cache, it sounds interesting.

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:13 pm
by klossner
I had a kayak-only cache in my back yard: Kayak the Tualatin! Quite popular among paddlers.

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:34 am
by fitzet
Thanks for those responses.

One other aspect of 'restrictive' is that I'm a fair weather paddler so would only be willing to maintain such a cache May through September. If it were logged as DNF in October - nothing would change until the following May.

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:03 am
by Spark_ie
There's nothing stopping you disabling the cache for winter months. You will find that a number of people disable their mountain top caches during the winter as it can be dangerous. Of course, this doesn't stop people still going out there if they so wish. Also keep in mind that just because there is a DNF, that doesn't mean it's missing :)

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:05 pm
by medic143
Might not get too many takers for your effort in putting it out. I presume this one is a kayaker's cache and it's still unclaimed over a month later

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_de ... 595bb47b0a

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:27 pm
by dino
medic143 wrote:Might not get too many takers for your effort in putting it out. I presume this one is a kayaker's cache and it's still unclaimed over a month later

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_de ... 595bb47b0a
That would make it a much more special and significant find for me and one worth keeping for a milestone marker 8)

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:57 am
by wildfowler
dino wrote:
medic143 wrote:Might not get too many takers for your effort in putting it out. I presume this one is a kayaker's cache and it's still unclaimed over a month later

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_de ... 595bb47b0a
That would make it a much more special and significant find for me and one worth keeping for a milestone marker 8)
I did look at that one for #700 but it's not a paddle I'd want to do on my own! Access for launching nearby isn't possible so it's quite a distance to paddle as far as I could see from the maps! I'll not give up hope on it yet tho! I just need back-up! :mrgreen:

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:40 am
by FatFergie
hairytoeman wrote:Do you have the code for the Stockholm cache, it sounds interesting.
I visited Stockholm in late winter 2008 and browsed for caches before I went. Can I find the one I was thinking of? I'm guessing it's been archived but it was on the north end of Sodermalm where there are some small cliffs. There is however still some climbing caches: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_de ... y&decrypt= and http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_de ... 7e3960d11f nearby.

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:25 am
by daraconn
medic143 wrote:Might not get too many takers for your effort in putting it out. I presume this one is a kayaker's cache and it's still unclaimed over a month later

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_de ... 595bb47b0a
If that's Loughan island, it's accessible by motorboat - the island I'm thinking of is considerably bigger than the description makes it sound ("some trees growing out of some rocks"). You can launch at Drumaheglish marina and it's a short run downstream.

About restrictive caches, you are free to place a cache in a difficult-to-access place if you wish.

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:43 pm
by fitzet
BUMP !

I still intend to set this cache. I have the basis of a description prepared, along with GPS data.

Part of me wants to include something about people taking suitable precautions for open sea kayaking and part of me wants to let people be adults and figure out for themselves what's appropriate.

Is there a 'standard' for issuing guidelines and warnings ?
Should a disclaimer be included ?

Thanks

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:06 pm
by dino
fitzet wrote:Is there a 'standard' for issuing guidelines and warnings ?
No ;)
fitzet wrote:Should a disclaimer be included ?
If it makes you feel better then do, if not then don't bother and as you say let people work it out for themselves :)

I tend to put a disclaimer on my mountain caches but I think people are more prone to underestimating a mountain walk than a sea kayak ;)

8)

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:01 pm
by SaaX
This is what we wrote for our cache: http://coord.info/GC2AH2E

And another one that I really enjoyed: http://coord.info/GC298BF

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:07 am
by fitzet
fitzet wrote:While out kayaking along the coast last weekend, I passed a location that I thought might be good for a cache.
**BUMP**

GC2RK2Y Casana Rock

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:35 am
by abbeyackbar
Fantastic! Well done for setting this up. It's great to see a cache like this out in Howth. We won't be able to find this one any time soon unfortunately :( but I look forward to reading others logs and seeing their photos :)

Abbey

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:32 am
by Fjon
This one looks great! Looking at a satellite picture it's really not very far out at sea, so I don't think it would be a very difficult journey with a kayak. Might even be possible to swim?

Re: Can a cache be too 'restrictive' ?

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:22 pm
by medic143
Sense a kayaking trip coming up this week. Have Thursday off and weather forecast looks okay.